The comments sections on the blog has unfortunately become rife with spooks. And by spooks I mean paid agents, shills and operatives. For too long I had become complacent, trusting that people would be able to sort out the bullshit. And frankly a bit lazy. But no longer. This post is meant to serve as a warning to all the forum spies: I’m on to you, and I’m going to root you out.
Simply put, I had not fully appreciated all the different ways that forums can be hijacked. So I went back and re-read “The Gentleperson’s Guide To Forum Spies,” which was partially compiled from the documents leaked by Snowden. Say what you want about Snowden. I don’t trust him either. But the information was nonetheless revealing.
Here are some of the tactics I can see that are clearly being used in comments. (There may be others that I am not seeing so feel free to read the whole thing. And also read Miles’ paper about it.) Anybody whose behavior in comments resembles these tactics will NOT be given the benefit of the doubt. I would ask the readers here to remind themselves of these tactics so they can help me spot them and also avoid being falsely accused [PLEASE NOTE, THE LAST THING I WANT IS PEOPLE ACCUSING EACH OTHER OF BEING SPOOKS — JUST WRITE ME AN E-MAIL WITH YOUR OBSERVATION AND LET ME TAKE CARE OF IT]:
Technique #2 – ‘CONSENSUS CRACKING’
A second highly effective technique is ‘consensus cracking.’ To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth – but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger ‘evidence’ or disinformation in your favour is slowly ‘seeded in.’ Thus the uninformed reader will most likely develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then ‘abort’ the consensus cracking by initiating a ‘forum slide.’
Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’ In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’ By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
Technique #6 – ‘GAINING FULL CONTROL’
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings – and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the ‘ultimate victory’ as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a ‘honey pot’ gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.
[Editor’s note: At first i thought that last one didn’t apply, since nobody is going to be able to take over this blog unless they outright steal it from me. But then I remembered that people have been linking to alternative forums to try to move discussion over there. Another way to “gain full control.” I will no longer allow links to other forums to discuss Miles’ work. You can discuss anywhere you want, but I’m not going to allow you to people to use my blog to advertise alternative forums. From now on anyone linking to another forum to discuss Mile’s work will be banned without further warning.]
Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the ‘How dare you!’ gambit.
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how ‘sensitive they are to criticism.’
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat ‘freudian’, so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which [“outs”] itself and the author.
And more: In some situations, to get control, the agent will tell the activist [something that] invites guilty feelings. Many people can be controlled by guilt. The agents begin relationships with activists behind a well-developed mask of “dedication to the cause.” Because of their often declared dedication, (and actions designed to prove this), when they criticize the activist, he or she – being truly dedicated to the movement – becomes convinced that somehow, any issues are THEIR fault. This is because a truly dedicated person tends to believe that everyone has a conscience and that nobody would dissimulate and lie like that “on purpose.” It’s amazing how far agents can go in manipulating an activist because the activist will constantly make excuses for the agent who regularly declares their dedication to the cause. Even if they do, occasionally, suspect the agent, they will pull the wool over their own eyes by rationalizing: “they did that unconsciously… they didn’t really mean it… I can help them by being forgiving and accepting ” and so on and so forth.
Some agents take on a pushy, arrogant, or defensive manner:
1) To disrupt the agenda
2) To side-track the discussion
3) To interrupt repeatedly
4) To feign ignorance
5) To make an unfounded accusation against a person.
Well Josh, after reading the above it sheds light on why I’ve found the world so confusing since I was very young. It would never occur to me to consciously use tactics listed above. It is not in my nature as it would be exceedingly difficult to attempt any of the actions above. For me it is simply a waste of time and it probably goes to explaining why there are such hard lessons to learn in this life. My naive assumption as a young boy was that we were all alike but life’s experiences have proven tragically otherwise. My hat is off to you trying to recognize and then weed this crap out. You and most everybody here are much wiser than me. Thank you for the forum as I learn so much from the contributors. I came to your site through Miles’ site and don’t regret it one bit.
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Nice acting, Juan. But I thought the “as a boy” line was a bit much.
In reply to the post, I think early to mid 40s film noir is a better education than these pdfs. So many of the best noirs are about everyone having an angle. Of course, you can become cynical. Decide if that’s better than being naive.
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Not acting, it’s who I am. Those that lied and deceived I never understood or found appealing. Sceptical I have become with a dash of cynicism.
Communicating by writing can be difficult as one can’t see the other or hear one’s voice so meaning can sometimes be unclear. If “as a boy” was a “bit much” for you, that’s on you, as that is about as straight forward as I can be.
Thank for the suggestion for a better education, maybe I will follow up. I find Miles’ and his guest writer’s pdfs very educational and informative.
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Thank “you” for the suggestion…
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Hat tip and heartfelt thanks to a reader who wrote to me about this exchange between John C. and “sordlanley.” He reads the blog but doesn’t comment, so I won’t reveal his name or handle. (I appreciate that he wrote me the e-mail about this rather than making a comment about it. I hope everyone who wants to lend a hand does the same: joshg99@pm.me) He basically outed “sordlanley” which sound like some kind of weird anagram of “Lord Stanley” and “Langley.” This commenter is new to the forum and has made a total of 4 comments. There won’t be any more. Here is what he wrote:
Hey Josh,
I emailed you a few years ago about the Las Vegas incident and even throughout the latest scam I never really had the urge to contribute my thoughts, but after reading a comment on your new post I simply had to contact you. Your old email seems to no longer work so I’m using the contact button.
These people are so brazen, it’s insane. Literally the second comment I saw was a model demonstration of almost every technique described in your post. I think the comment deserves to be printed and framed on a wall. See the screen shot with my annotations.
https://i.imgur.com/wBZaCIk.png
I want to thank you for maintaining the site for all these years and wish you the best of luck in fighting these disinformation campaigns. #AloneTogetherWithAgents
My parting comment: thank goodness these trolls chose to step up their nonsense while I’m stuck at home and have plenty of time on my hands. Remember: I’m not locked in here with you; you’re locked in here with me!
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@Sordlanley
Of course everyone has an angle in stories written by people who are always angling. I do enjoy those movies immensely because of the thrill of being introduced to such “exciting” worlds; I never thought for one second that all the double-dealing and double-crossing was my world. Maybe the spooks think they have created such a world but you cannot change human nature and we’re all still basically good and trusting. How else do you think the majority of us fall for the lies of the spooks, over and over again?
The success of the spooks also reveals their ultimate failure — the majority of us are still trusting and hopeful. That is a fail if their goal was to make us all despairing and cynical. These Hollyweird stories only show that the spooks are suffering from despair, living a nihilist culture of their own making; what is even more chilling is that they cannot see they are being hollowed out by that gnawing cynicism.
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GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY! Posting a link to Miles Mathis re: Feynman gets one permanently banned from the Reddit PHYSICS forum! The poster child of Physics fudge has trainees (_) willing to spend a lifetime learning to diagram Feynman. In politely noting Miles Mathis fixed Feynman and the diagrams are simple mechanics and universally applicable, and posting a link to “Feynman2” somehow created a hole in the space-time continuum necessitating instant shunning .
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Thank you, Professor Josh, for pulling my donkey halter over to the real deadly issue of agendized dilution, distraction and disinformation, intent above content. Wonderful Gentleman’s Guide complementing the Miles Mathis GLEN PDF skin-crawler.
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josh, by this text, you implicitly acknowledge that, since the beginning of the year, new contributors have rotted your blog.
the atmosphere was completely different before, and I’m not talking about what’s been going on since the arrival of the “millennium hoax”, because since March, we have reached peaks of pollution.
I was the subject of an attack in good standing two days ago, about the ineptitude of my contributions.
people have broken me in a nasty and disproportionate way. But if my comments do not interest them, which I can understand, they are free not to read them.
me for example, it’s been a while since I zapped the comments of Enki and some others, because they don’t interest me. However, I do not attack these people head on, because it would be disrespectful on the one hand and a waste of time on the other.
except the so-called ackley, because this one spreads fear in his threatening writings and I find that this guy smells bad. I should perhaps not have attacked him this way, but what is done is done and I do not regret having made him aware of my revulsion against him.
I know very well that I am unable to write in English as all of you English speakers can do. It takes me a lot of time and often I can’t express exactly what I mean, it’s very frustrating for that matter.
moreover, since Miles, I refuse to read the newspapers and waste my time scrutinizing the bullshit that the media sell us, so I do not comment on the news, unlike all of you.
I specialize in word analysis, because I remain convinced that the words that spooks use are more important than facts when it comes to false facts.
nobody wanted to follow me in this direction, it disappointed me, but I can understand.
I think you have understood that I am sincere.
but I’m going to stop writing because my contributions don’t interest anyone.
I will continue to read Miles and the contributors that I enjoy here.
but I don’t want to contribute too much anymore.
that will make people happy, I imagine.
I would have liked to make friends with each other here. it did not happen.
no big deal.
it’s life
I wish you good luck and I hope that you will succeed in doing a great spring cleaning in your blog.
thank you.
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Thanks, Mantalo. I’m sorry you didn’t find here what you were looking for. à la prochaine
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I lauded your i-Phone X theory; I thought it a great piece of thinking, no matter what anyone else thought. I still think it stands as a desperate attempt by the spooks to meet their Phoenix Currency prediction by 2018.
The attack you mention was simply frustration at all your word play; sometimes they do seem quite random and silly. Mais, I also like to be silly and facetious so I am a bit of a hypocrite; and I straw-man like the unintellectual oaf that I am. University was wasted on this cretin of a human.
But I digress — my only “beef”, or baguette, with you Mam, is that I wanted praise and adulation for finding a frickin’ Phoenician Storm God called BELLAMY, ffs. I am being silly and facetious now. Apologies if I have offended you in the past.
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women are bound to be silly in a world dominated by men.
but you see, in my long research on the truth, I came to the conclusion that behind the 3rd door, there was a fourth and that this 4th door hid a queen and not a king …
gerry mentioned bees at length … but the hive has a queen, hidden deep in his heart … not a king …
I would have liked to develop on the 4th door and the potential of a queen and of a world government made up of women … but on this forum, it is complicated since there are mainly men and that mainly the men think women are silly and can only make stupid comments 🙂
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Nobody here thinks women are silly and can only make stupid comments, Mantalo. And why did you switch your user name from Mantalo to Laurence?
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Because its my real name….
Mantalo is a pseudo, contraction of Manta (ray) and Lolo, but I dont need pseudo anymore, I want to live unmasked 🙂
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Ah, and here I thought it was from the French word “to lie” (mentir) and “laugh out loud” (lol). But you know how I love silly word play. (;
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So this is what it is like to be straw-manned 😉 I didn’t say you were silly; I didn’t say women were silly — I said some of your [rechecks own comment] posts “seemed” silly. And I admitted I can be silly and I aint a woman. That is all.
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@josh
Worse than that… if you think about it…
Mental lol
Awful
Laurence is more better
Now that I leave your blog 🙂 🙂
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@raymond
Thefe are so many things to say about bellamy, josh will have to open a new thread 🙂
We could write a book only with this word, mon bel ami 🙂
A ce propos, dans un monde normal, qui a un “bel ami” ?
Une femme 🙂
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Nobody wants you to leave. You should reconsider.
We need all the good people we can get!
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i liked very much your insight that big computer systems have to stop working on thier tasks to transition to a new system. if companies and govs PLANNED for it they could benefit.
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also you recommended sack of rome to me. i have not read it, but im guessing its because the decline of rome might have insights to the current crisis times in the us and elsewhere.
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Josh, what do you think is the line (here) between normal but miseducated people, and actual spies causing friction?
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I’m not Josh but I would like to take a crack at it.
One of the simplest ways is… Are they blackwashing the truth with “super controversial” subjects and therefore making everybody here on the forum look like idiots to let them continue?
That’s what happened to Alex when he left. He figured anybody that believes that there is no such thing as contagion must be morons so he left. And I wish he would come back because he had his head screwed on right.
I know this is far out analogy but…. if somebody came on the forum saying that the moon was made out of cheese and kept insisting on it with their own weird scientific proof and crazy links…. you have to tell the guy to go take a long walk off a short pier.
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I’ve seen this so many times on facebook that people leave a group in a very loud way because of trolls promoting flat earth type topics or derailing the conversation in other ways. I always question why people leave with such a fanfare and I suspect it can be because they want to encourage others to do the same thing by setting an example. It also gives the rest of the forum participants the impression that the trolls are winning. It usually doesn’t help to explain to these leavers what is going on and that they can ignore the trolls or just call them out, which I have always found suspicious.
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Maria, I think I’ve achieved what I wished for.
I prefer my way to pussyfooting around.
BTW, I felt kinda put on the same level with Enki by a comment from Josh directed at us both.
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As Maria was saying definitely a suspicious tactic (childish behavior if you ask me). But it also reminded me about what Miles was saying about weak allies.
Click to access allies.pdf
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I might be around when many are long gone – not neccessarily here, but I’m more steady in support of the truth (many of which Miles offers) than most I know.
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tony, i have to say your analysis of where there’s muck was on point to me. i dont know you except a month of posts, but that time i actually read it only to see if the point you made was something i could detect. i detected your point, and found other issues and attempted an intelligent rebuttle. didnt seem to go well. being told i had confused myself, pretty much tells me what i need to know. i ceased discussion at that point on ‘muck’
but i dont know that person either.
i did notice that miles replied to him recently.
i cant easily tell friend or foe here.
im trying to just address what is written. didnt work that time i guess.
i have no idea if my rebuttle is helpful or harmful in josh’s eyes or anyone elses here.. etc
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Hi Tony, thank you for your kind words. The new Covid-paper was just what I was waiting for – that one will have a chance to get attention. I didn’t read all the way back in Current Discussions, but at last glance I’ve seen you valiantly fighting the tide nearly on your own – well done!
(any comment mentioning the forum-owner’s name will go into m0deration….)
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Actually Alex the name Enki is what sent your post to moderation. Welcome back.
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Wow, psychology on parade. I trust Josh can see through it. Glad he is tightening the screws. I will help as I can.
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Good move, Josh. I noticed when putting together the document on Corona (which I still mean to upload somewhere) just how many comments were useless for the cause. There were some gems, but they’d been swamped in noise. The ratio of speculation to observable published material seemed very imbalanced towards the former. That may be another one of their tactics.
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Why not upload it to a file sharing service (like Dropbox) with a public link? Better yet you could create your own blog and post it there. Please do share it though, I could really use a good compilation of sources that I can send to family and friends who haven’t yet seen through the hoax.
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The solution would be to go over the thread and remove loose talk. When a week is gone such talk have done its mission and can safely be removed. The other solution is “best of” compilations. Which Josh do. After a year.
Another more educative moderation would be to demand newcomers to be strictly on topic and very interesting. And if they fail to, remove their posts saying, they will come up WHEN you deliver something of interest.
Do i hear spooks shivering?
Well, they are always shivering.
Fear is their fuel to stay awake.
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…but in the end, , IN CERTAIN CASES, without face to face, eye to eye contact, we can NEVER know for sure.
Even if I do not weed my garden, vegetables still seem to grow, There! that shows my character; I accept smaller vegetables but much less work. But that is because it is really a losing battle, and it is the same with the internet; the medium defines the limits, and look at all the mental energy you have to put out to keep this forum pure..to keep the garden free of weeds; is there no better way? Do we not play into the hands of the governers by trying to live by the machine? Why do not all MM followers gather in one city or village and meet face to face everyday? You will think this a stupid question…perhaps it is…but perhaps it isn’t.
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@David Krischer
I don’t think it’s a stupid question. I also don’t think it’s realistic. Most people here don’t have the means to make a move of that sort, even if we did want to be surrounded by each other every day, which I’m not at all sure is the case. I assume you are not native Japanese. So how did you end up living in the Japanese countryside?
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I realize now that I sort of misrepresented my own idea by using the word “everyday”
I have a vision of just living in the same (rural or exurbian) area and being able to meet everyday if one wanted; I do not envision all living on the same piece of land though that is an option for those who want;
further, you have voiced an unspoken thought of mine when you suggest that we might not want to be surrounded by each other everyday. I mean look at this girl vick, and her pro wrestling husband!! Can you imagine? ha ha…But anyway, for me, the computer, despite its wonders, is an evil little thing, and to speak of community and computer in the same breath, seems self deceiving. It is like sex through a shower curtain, and yet here I am which only shows how needy I am also for contact with like minded people.
I am in japan because my wife is Japanese; that is the very short answer; a hint at the longer answer is that , although I am north American I have not been back to the usa in exactly 30 years; I simply could not live around such people…and miles papers have helped me understand more clearly why. I am not attached to japan in any way; I have lived half a dozen years in half a dozen countries (more or less)
Lastly, I would like to say that I do not include miles in my comments; Genius, or whatever we wish to call it, has its own rules; I would not expect miles to waste his time growing potatoes or cutting his own firewood. Nor would I expect him to participate in our gatherings or meeting or whatever…ah but I am jumping ahead of myself. As for being realistic, I suspected that anyone who read my words would immediately feel it is unrealistic, but I cannot buy that idea for one second; we must live our lives in accordance with our beliefs; and really how many people on this fourm are doing that; I am sorry to say but my feeling is that , to a large extent, you guys are just talking…talking and talking. and talking.
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And a bit more: Look how at miles recently told the woman is south Africa: “Get out..”
that surprised me but it shouldn’t have. Look, I will be honest; if I was presently living in a locked down country I would find a way to get out; there is no fucking way I would accept what they are doing! How dare they… and it enrages me at times; I wouldn’t wait in line for my food, ever, and if some policeman stopped me and questioned me, I would probably end up in jail because, I would tell him flat out it is none of his fucking business.. the fact that you folks are accepting what is happening surprises me…I do not feel your anger at all; I do not feel your disgust at this pathetic hoax….but then that is just my character…
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I think Josh’s blog is kind of the first in a series of preliminary steps that would need to be taken beforehand for such a meeting to take place. Think about it, in order to establish a physical community, you first have to have a place for us to meet and gather and discuss our ideas. Josh’s blog seems to be that place, and I have spoken with a good handful or so of people that I would trust meeting in real life here. Our community is certainly growing: I took a couple month long break only to come back and see so many new visitors posting here in support of Miles’ research. Maybe in a decade or so, this community will have evolved to the point where such a consideration is possible. Until then, I don’t think it’s a very good idea.
Such communities are also open invitations for agents to plot disruption; so you better know each other very well before planning something like that. Take for example Miles’ yearly scientific workshops he used to host on his very property until just a couple of years ago. A couple of years ago I contacted Miles, excited to plan my visit for his next annual workshop, only to find out that as a result of agent disruption, he became uncomfortable continuing to host them. That is the real shame.
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Also, you don’t need to be 100% sure in order to take action. I trust Josh’s intuition on the matter; and it would be a waste of energy if he felt it necessary to perform hours of research on someone every time he wanted to ban them. Remember to trust your intuition. If someone continues to make posts that make you question their intent or sincerity; there’s likely a reason for that.
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and do not come back to me like I want to live on a commune or go back to the stone age or that the computer does not have its benefits…please do not read into my statements your own preconceived ideas of rural or off grid living…..etc etc…blah blah blah…
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I read a little bit of the so-called tactics of forum spies. I think you say we can no longer post links to other forums. I was posting links to the FSP forum where I post links to articles on several topics. So now I guess I can’t even do that. I don’t know what good this forum is if there’s so little we can say. Discouraging.
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Yes that’s correct, Lloyd, and you were the biggest “offender” in that regard. To clarify: obviously if there is new, useful and pertinent information on some forum people can link to it. Like for example when people link to Vexman’s blog. But to link to a forum and say: “hey let’s go here to discuss this topic” will be treated as an attempt to take control of this forum.
As for the forum motion site, I have no problem with it and there is definitely a much more active discussion over there about Miles’ science. But it has been linked to many times so people can find it really if they want. I will even add it to my sidebar of links. But there is no reason to try to pull the discussion over there.
So little you can say? There are just five topics that I’ve asked people to avoid, three of which have already been discussed here ad nauseum. There are millions of topics that you can discuss. There was a period where you were posting a new topic for discussion here nearly every day sometimes several per day. I never once asked you to stop. You can’t blame me that nobody else here wanted to discuss those topics with you. If you don’t like the new restrictions you don’t need to participate here. I can’t stop anyone from leaving, nor would I want to. If that means only a few diehards remain here I’m okay with that. I’m not trying to monetize this site so traffic isn’t important to me. When it comes to friends, I prefer quality over quantity and always have.
My experience is that the people whose voices I appreciate the most trend to to be turned off and driven away by the noise and drama created by the trolls and the people who act like trolls. That was not meant as a dig at you, just a general observation.
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Josh: Quote: But to link to a forum and say: “hey let’s go here to discuss this topic” will be treated as an attempt to take control of this forum. Unquote.
The only reason I have sought to have discussions elsewhere is because I’m not used to the format of this forum and whatever I say or read here gets lost, or very hard to find again, after a short time. It apparently works for some of you guys, but not me. And I like to invite people from here to discuss elsewhere because the folks here are likely better informed and more critical thinkers than most others.
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If yous ever find a way to improve this forum, let me know. On the FSP forum and the MilesMathis forum I’m able to edit my posts at any time. That makes it easier to work on papers or articles there. They also have threads for many specific topics, which also works well for writing papers etc.
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So, having my revered guru attacked was not considered “troll” behavior? Or was I considered a possible “troll” or “spy” for posting/sharing information about Swami Jyotirmayananda at all? Have all these pesky “suspected spys” been accosted/removed yet? Am I considered a possible “spy”? Call me stupid but I seriously have no clue. I read some of the elaborate statements of anti-spy determination out loud and my boyfriend (who only watchs Fox News and pro wrestling) thinks it’s sort of hilarious — I said, “Maybe I’m so deep level a spy that I don’t even know it myself!” heh!
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Your boyfriend only watches Fox News and pro wrestling? Seriously? How do you two even get along?
Nobody has accused you of being a spook yet, as far as I know. Who knows what the future will bring?
You shared information about someone dear to your heart with the rest of the forum and were told by someone here that that person was spook. Sounds like just another day in the comments section at CTTF.
And no, I haven’t removed all the spies. I’ve only just begun.
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He called Swami Jyotirmayananda a “gas bag” — sort of rude if you ask me. Swami Jyotirmayananda is as or more accomplished than Miles Mathis himself in terms of output and spirituality. You don’t have to respect me but to allow such rudeness to stand while censoring so many of my thoughtful comments makes me think you are yourself someone I’d rather have nothing to do with. A bit of a “girly man” hiding behind words is what I’m seeing. Not the kind of guys I’ve ever been known to care much for. Just saying.
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More accomplished than Miles? Has Swami corrected over a century’s worth of conceptual and mathematical mistakes in any single scientific sub-field? Let alone the entire field as a whole? Please, do tell me about this guy’s long list of solutions that continue to evade the mainstream to this day. I’d love to hear all about it. Show me his thousands of pages that go into painstaking detail of his hundreds of corrections to fundamental theory. Oh, does he not have that? Than how on earth is he more accomplished? How can you be accomplished in spirituality, by the way? Does that mean you are at the most peace with yourself? You meditate the most inches above the ground? It sounds like bullshit to me.
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” A bit of a girly man hiding behind words ???” Josh?
Well if ‘girly’ men hide behind words give me one of those any day to the standard fare . Genuinely articulate men with something worthwhile to say are few and far between. Don’t knock it!
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Thanks, Carol.
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Vick, I just searched for any messages of yours that might have gone to spam and couldn’t find any. But the spam folder only goes back to March 28 so if they were before that then they are lost. I reiterate I have not been censoring any comments from you. I suggest you copy any comment you make before hitting the ‘submit’ button in case they don’t make it through for whatever reason (sometimes WordPress glitches). You could even copy them into another document to save. And if you don’t see it show up within 24 hours, then you can let me know either via comment or (better) e-mail: joshg99@pm.me. And if I can’t find it in spam, then you have a backup.
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I don’t know why anyone posting here would push a swami. I’ve studied with East Indian teachers who have no organizations, no ashrams, but I would never push it here; this is not, in my opinion, the place to push any particular religious leader, especially a swami. What does it have to do with Miles’ writings?
One thing I’ve noticed in reading this blog for awhile now is how much time that posters have on their hands to post day in and day out, sometimes every hour. Do they have a life? I’m retired but I’m far too busy to post here every day; but I do have an idea of those who have lots of time on their hands to post regularly, so regularly I have to shake my head: spooks. Spooks are paid to do this all day long! So I’m glad that Josh wrote this piece and I’m sorry it came to this, because I know Josh is busy with a job and raising a family.
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That has happened to most of us here — some site or person we trusted turns out be a spook. In fact, “probably a spook” is now a cliche on this site. Sure didn’t Miles do it to his own heroes from way back when, e.g. Chomsky. Maybe “hero” is too strong a word for Miles’ opinion of that spooky-spook (I’ll have to read that paper again) but the point still stands — everyone here has had their gurus throttled. Luckily Michael Caine remains sacrosanct and untouched 😉
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Oh come on, Michael Caine is obviously an insider. Were you just asking for an outing?
It’d be a breath of fresh air to see some big person who isn’t a spook, not necessarily not jewish or part of the families (since somebody can be a peer, just not a spook), but doesn’t work for Intel or as an actor.
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I think Ray was being tongue-in-cheek
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I was being sarcastic. I like Michael Caine but he is probably a spook, although I have yet to be bothered digging beyond his wiki page.
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I don’t understand how any of this is difficult to understand. People seem to be purposefully obtuse on this matter — if you’re not a spook you have absolutely no reason to be upset or confused by any of these changes. If you need to post something and you’re worried it’s against the rules, just send Josh a personal message and I’m sure he would be happy to oblige.
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i am not a spook/shill/agent or operative but i believe i have reasons for confusion.
i am asking josh below, basically because i disagree with what you say above.
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Hey @Josh
Thanks for this thread and thanks for all the work you put in here. I truly appreciate it. This is the only online forum I comment on. I come here because I am a student of Mile’s work, and I wish to be in the company of others who feel some similar level of interest, excitement, and respect.
It disheartens and annoys me when the MM detractors come here and do their nonsense. The internet feels like a moral and cultural wasteland to me, so finding like minded souls online is something I greatly value.
For this reason, I have been vocal here in three different instances in the past when I felt strongly that a spook was muddying the waters. I am happy to respect your new guidelines and will email if I notice this again.
My apologies to you and anyone else if I overstepped in any way. My intentions are good. I’m glad you’re tightening the reins. To all the good men and women that come to CTTF and share, thank you. It gives me hope to be in the company of others who are waking up…
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@Old School
Thanks for your note. No you haven’t overstepped anything as far as I’m aware. I appreciate your vigilance.
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Hello. I’m not a spook, I’m just somebody who occasionally looks at Miles Mathis’ blog when I need something to laugh at and I found you from a link on his site. Perhaps I can insert a dash of reality to this conversation. There are no spooks visiting your site, no government agents or members of any Jewish (or other) conspiracies trying to derail your conversations. It is a truth universally acknowledged that a community predicated on paranoia eventually collapses under the weight of its own unfounded suspicions, and that is what is happening here. What you may possibly have is a few mischievous trolls trying to amuse themselves by disrupting your discussions. But, and I’m sorry to break this to you, a blog concerned largely with the ramblings of an obscure and self-aggrandizing scientific crackpot is unlikely to be of interest to the wider world, certainly not the cloak-and-dagger community. What you have here is a troll problem. Treat is as such, and it will go away. If you pursue this idea that you are being infiltrated by ‘spies’ you’re going to get sucked into a never-ending vortex of mistrust. Just a friendly word of advice. I won’t trouble you again.
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@Michael Snape
Wow. I guess I never really looked at it like that. You’re so right. Thank you for stopping by and sharing your superior wisdom with us.
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@Michael the Sniper
“Hello, I am a spook…” etc etc etc
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Sorry, Michael, but logic and precedent make it highly likely that you are a spook. You dish out disdain and concern in equal measure, which mark you out as a troll at least. However, given that a troll would get more satisfaction with a larger audience to annoy (such as at certain Youtube channels) then you obviously have more strategic reasons for being here, unless you really are a spiteful dunce I’d say you’re a spook.
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a community predicated on paranoia eventually collapses under the weight of its own unfounded suspicions…that is the essential statement here and it is full of truth; the other essential statement is that miles is a crackpot and it full of untruth; this “community” dedicated to Miles Mathis will eventually collapse due to a certain small mindedness of many of its participants (moderator excluded) but , unless miles is silenced by force, he will probably continue to revolutionize any field he touches , and his work is going to be around for a very long time. Michael, you sound like a jealous little boy; can you not hear your own tone?
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Funny. We are all too insignificant to bother with, which is why you took time out of your busy schedule to bother us. Makes perfect sense to me!
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and me too. It makes perfect sense now that it is over and I have had my say.one has to enter a situation before they can leave it….
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furthermore there is a world of difference…I mean a HUGH difference… between “many” and “all”…I said many of the participants …I did not so “all”…
And lastly, you have assumed I have a busy schedule, but I have neither a busy schedule nor even a schedule….
and by the way miles, my offer to come to write your biography is still open but obviously you do not like me. It reminds me of Goethe, who famously said, “If I love you, what has that got to do with you?”
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I wasn’t replying to you David, I was replying to Snipe.
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At this point in my life, I don’t trust anyone to write my bio, and it is too early anyway.
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Feels kind of like he sniped you, huh? How punny.
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Oh, and strange that an “obscure and self-aggrandizing crackpot” could outrank Wikipedia, Harvard, and MIT on general and specific science websearches. But you have nothing to say about that of course. I guess the internet just kindly decided to help me in my aggrandizement.
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tony martinsaid:March 22, 2020 at 3:56 pm
Coronavirus is the New Name of the Common Cold
What we are looking at is the Common Cold, restyled as “Covid 19” which is the World Health Organization name for the Common Cold!
https://larryhannigan.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/american-2.jpg?w=522&zoom=2
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I bet the same was happening during the Spanish Flu PsyOp. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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I invited krischer David offsite to the forum motion site.
my apologies.
but i also was called out by you josh for using something close to a straw man.
sorry again. that was my first post too. ouch.
i was called out by miles as well. dont know if it is an example you would consider another ‘problem’ or not.
at this point i have to assume i am being called out as -something- .
So to josh: i still am not clear on how i should proceed.
am i part of this ‘problem’ that you are clearing up?
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@3rd doorman
As a relative newcomer, you are suspect by default. Sorry but that’s just the way it is. I reviewed your comments and don’t have much reason to doubt your authenticity, so you can relax. If I have a problem with you I will let you know. If you want to connect to another commenter off-site, just write me an e-mail and I can try to put you in touch. David Krischer posted his e-mail so you can connect to him as you please.
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thanks so much for the clarity. yes i expected to be suspect by default, in fact i would have been dissappointed if that were not the case knowing miles’ work.
im still having some issues though.
i will try this thread to touch on them
dont want to take too much of your time but feel free to check and add clarity if you can.
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i no longer want to talk with krischer David.
originally i wished to be critical of his posting, but didnt think your forum should have to host such an exchange. i suggested the miles mathis forum motion because there i can pm my email address without exposing it to the world. in the future i will mail you to set it up as u have clearly requested.
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Josh: I can smell the approach of fresh air already. Thank you for the Snowden insights. It’s always a good feeling when someone with credentials has the same thoughts as oneself. Quells any self-induced paranoia somewhat. And thank you for showing the whip hand to the persistent pests.
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i wanted to say i have trouble identifying these trolls/agents/shills/persistent pests. if im not dumb, this prevents me from avoiding what they did that brought sanction from our host.
i am wondering if counter inteligence is the right term. i am interested in following the lead of our host.
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Well done Josh, the high number of trolls/bots from the start of the year is confirmation that the MI5/CIA are very very unhappy about how much of their global faux reality show we have been revealing – take it as a complement. All anti-establishment sites need a good delousing from time to time and I’m glad you’re planning to drop the dead donkeys from CTTF.
There are a few ‘top-of-my-head’ structural things you can do to make it easier to reduce the use of trolling techniques, and make CTTF a better user experience, as follows…
Allow links to videos, but remove the facility for users to embed them in a comment, YouTube slows page loading and can cause browser crashes on hand-held low memory devices, as I know to my cost.
Keep tight focus in discussions by having more topics to help stop the huge number of comments in mega-threads, like ‘Current Events’, These make navigation difficult and can put-off new users to trying to catch up with what’s going on.
Put long user comments into automatic moderation, as huge wordy comments consume reader time and make it easy for trolls/bots to clog things up.
Posters who regularly make off-topic posts should be put into moderation.
Please keep up the good work Josh, as CTTF is one of only a very few places where it is easy to discuss views which are against the MSM propaganda machine and aren’t simply controlled opposition.
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Thanks for the tips, Boris. I will take them under advisement. I agree that it in principle it would be better to have a proper forum. I’m going to work on it to see if there’s a less expensive way for me to integrate that into this site. To do that through WordPress I would need to pay an extra $250 per year and invest more time…
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i would second boris’ suggestions. thanks boris! the youtubes slow me down and crash my browser.
boris says more topics. but i would reference increased topicality. that would mean discussions in current events must somehow refer to CURRENT events.
i still cannot spot all these problem posters. talks to cats is the only one sanctioned that i can detect. the trolls in this thread are easy, but i dont see them elsewhere.
i am not asking them to be named. im just saying that all people who are talking about problem posters should realize i cannot be expected to know who they are and might still reply to them and thus ‘feed trolls’, forum slide, and resource burn myself and others as i get up to speed on who to avoid.
i could name my own list, but josh says no to that.
i could list reasoning, but have already written another large post!
i guess for now i shutup and try to pay closer attention.
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Just adding an empty comment, because I don’t like the number standing at 81.
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And there are numerous other methods on sabotaging debates. I rather mention that contributions to a conversation/debate like these pages, – logical arguments and addition of facts not considered yet, are always what brings us further. Learn to look for that and you can skip a lot without even getting annoyed.
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First time commenting. Thank you for the resources on techniques of disinformation agents, just found this site recently and Miles’ writings on physics and calculus are fascinating. No wonder I never could understand calculus- it’s essentially lies.
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Hi Sparrow, thanks and welcome.
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Interesting question: at what point along this list I’ve culled from a “Mastering Mathematics” book, do the lies begin? Which chapters should I ignore as untrustworthy. I’ve had this book for yonks and I’m still avoiding using it…
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hjpdDwAAQBAJ&lpg=PP1&dq=%22Mastering%20Mathematics%22%20geoff%20buckwell%20contents&pg=PP6#v=onepage&q=contents&f=false
That should link to the Contents page of the 2nd edition.
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Okay, I gave up trying to write up (cull) a list and decided to just link to the contents page.
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Regarding “The Gentleperson’s Guide To Forum Spies”, I think that should be our priority to spread that as quickly as possible to the highest possible number of people.
Warning people about the various techniques to suppress critical thought is even more important than warning them about specific government lies, because the latter thrive thanks to the former.
No sane person would still believe 9/11 plane hijacking and similar bullshit if it wasn’t for such kind of psychological tricks.
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I was never a frequent poster here, but always read with interest. I confess it was the ‘infiltration gang’ that put me off. I’ve not been back for many months since, so I’m very glad to see the noise removed.
Thanks Josh and all.
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more and more folks are waking up to the fact that at least 90% of all online trolls are “in the employ”; the QANON psy op gambit has acted like cold water in the face for some ..lets hope this trend continues
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I am a frequent visitor of a conspiracy theory you may know (Godlike Productions) which I am certain is rife with spooks and agents of all sorts. It is full of “patriots” which I suspect are only posing as such, and probably also of leftists only aiming to ttigger alt-right individuals….
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BTW… this
“1) To disrupt the agenda
2) To side-track the discussion
3) To interrupt repeatedly
4) To feign ignorance
5) To make an unfounded accusation against a person.”
is a real plague. As soon as you start posting, they are waiting for you. It makes so much of your efforts a pure waste of time.
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Josh said:April 23, 2021 at 1:43 pm
“There was also one regular poster who took the opportunity to launch unfounded attack on Miles, and whose membership here has now been cancelled.”
I’d like to suggest moving problematic posts up for deletion to this thread, marking them as such, technology and time allowing. It would help old and new posters here analyze the phenomenon. Also a chance to discover countering techniques. It could be as simple as the quote of Josh above I copied over to this post, and as instructive as the John C. exchange above.
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Alright 3rd, I’ll bite. I’ve already gotten a couple of e-mails of people eager to know more about this. The ‘regular poster’ in question went by “cancelled.” Perhaps if anyone is interested they can look more into cancelled’s comment history to see if there were any telltale signs that were ignored.
S/he wrote the following comment, which was caught up in moderation apparently at random. The idea that Miles is female reads as especially daft in light of his most recent paper discussing male suicide rates:
I just got around to reading the . . . I want to call it the “Sangria” paper. I didn’t get very far with it, since I took issue with a basic premise. You see, I don’t drink much water. In fact, people never did drink much water most of my 70 years of life, until the bottled water merchandising light bulb went off in some merchant’s head. I don’t drink at meals either. I am not thirsty, nor an I dehydrated.
I guess that makes me a cat. It’s good to finally know what I really am!
I had a look at the paper because of the comments on here, and the discomfiture in the atmosphere by followers. The Emperor’s New Clothes came to mind, especially the denouement: BUT HE ISN’T WEARING ANY CLOTHES. I keep waiting for somebody to scream it out. But mostly it’s just sycophancy that characterizesd the entire plot.
I hope there aren’t too many nervous breakdowns, or bodies falling from rooftops.
For the record, if bets were being laid, I’d put my money on MM being female. I always thought, and still do, that the writer’s voice is female.
If all else fails, get a dog. Loving, and being loved unconditionally, fills the void, believe me.
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‘In the stone, under the dust,
His name is still engraved.
Some things need to go away…’
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CTTF can’t be expected to host this post, I agree. Rather mean sprited hit piece.
Miles a liar about his own gender=unfounded attack.
Plot of Sycophancy=insults, unfounded attack on CTTF posters.
Sorry Josh! Not as instructive as I’d hoped! I’ll spend some time on that comment history…
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